Vista users, read!
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How nice of them.. they've changed the way they handle metadata and have been kind enough to inform the manufacturers and software developrs of what they have to change so that windows stops breaking the files. Or more to the point so that they can read them after windows breaks them.
Oh well, at least to their credit they seem to be right about altering the exif breaking the proprietary camera data. I just did a test, and after adding my name and a title I couldn't see the autofocus points or some of the camera data from the picture. Basic exposure data was still there, but I think I lost white balance mode among other things.
I should specify that I'm NOT a Vista user, however. I just wanted to see if it was true that messing with the exif resulted in the loss of the propietary manufacturer information.
Oh well, at least to their credit they seem to be right about altering the exif breaking the proprietary camera data. I just did a test, and after adding my name and a title I couldn't see the autofocus points or some of the camera data from the picture. Basic exposure data was still there, but I think I lost white balance mode among other things.
I should specify that I'm NOT a Vista user, however. I just wanted to see if it was true that messing with the exif resulted in the loss of the propietary manufacturer information.
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a little off topic:
our computer crashed again for the third time. one time it corrupted my external backup drive, twice it crashed itself. So, I told my wife we better buy a new one before we finally lose all of our stuff permanantly.
Well, everything comes with Vista. I am not ready for vista. None of the programs I use work even if they say vista ready
No roxio (for making slideshows of my photos)
No Acdsee pro
no office 2003- couldn't get it to work either.
So, we took our new computer to our computer guy to buy XP to put on it. He said I was his fifth customer reverting back to xp. He also said wait a year.
our computer crashed again for the third time. one time it corrupted my external backup drive, twice it crashed itself. So, I told my wife we better buy a new one before we finally lose all of our stuff permanantly.
Well, everything comes with Vista. I am not ready for vista. None of the programs I use work even if they say vista ready
No roxio (for making slideshows of my photos)
No Acdsee pro
no office 2003- couldn't get it to work either.
So, we took our new computer to our computer guy to buy XP to put on it. He said I was his fifth customer reverting back to xp. He also said wait a year.
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I have a question since i am not very computer literate....I wonder since i have xp is it possible to just put it on a computer i buy that has vista...vista is one reason i am putting off buying now..i have the actual xp disk so if i buy one at dell or someplace could i just ask them to send me the vista uninstalled and then install it if and when i want to and install the xp i have now on it? guessing someplace like best buy would have them pre-installed all ready so if i un-installed it would i just lose it totally? Thanks
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gary
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i could be wrong on this, but i think the only way would be a custom build, i believe microsteal forces all the box stores to buy the bundled software
other than laptop, i went custom desktops a few years ago when i got tired of all the bundled garbage programs that i don't need and couldn't seem to completely remove from the registry, and the prices are not much more than the box stores
gary
other than laptop, i went custom desktops a few years ago when i got tired of all the bundled garbage programs that i don't need and couldn't seem to completely remove from the registry, and the prices are not much more than the box stores
gary
Actually, if you still want XP, try Dell. But not the "home" section. Go to the business sections. They are still putting XP Pro on some of their boxes, which are upgradable and some are using the new Dual Core Intels.
(I just got one at work - I was scared that it was going to have Vista Business on it)
(I just got one at work - I was scared that it was going to have Vista Business on it)
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I'm going to skip over my initial response to this, because I realized I misunderstood what you were asking. From the checking up I've done at Dell's site, it looks like they don't offer any sort of Vista on disc option anymore, I mean it seems like they sell their systems with Vista pre-installed on the computer with no backup, no way to restore it from disc. When I got my laptop that was an option that I believe I picked, but now it looks like it's no option at all.
So.. it would seem that if you wiped your hard drive clean to install XP on it you wouldn't have any way to reinstall Vista at a later date. This is only a guess based on some preliminary checking at Dell's site. Gateway's site seems to mirror this.. and actually, I do seem to remember reading that MS wasn't going to be allowing manufacturers to include restore discs with Vista systems. I do not approve of that in the slightest.. a hallmark is Windows systems is that they run best if you wipe them clean and install them fresh every so often (I don't actually do that though, I do an insane amount of customization to my systems, it would take me days if not weeks to restore everything I had done before). What MS is doing is trying to force people to purchase computers with OEM installed Vista on them, and then at a later date if they want to reinstall a fresh copy of Vista make them purchase a retail boxed version as well...
A similar trick seems to have been used on the upgrade versions of Vista. From the fine print it would seem that you can only install that once as well, unlike all their previous upgrade versions.
Microsoft don't want people to be able to put Vista away for a while, they want to force it on the world NOW. And they want to prevent people from going back to XP. Another aspect of the Vista upgrade is that the moment you install it, it invalidates your XP license so you can't go back to it (which is also why I suspect you can't reinstall it, you have to have XP already installed to use the upgrade, but you shouldn't be able to reinstall XP because it kills the license).
As a side note, Dell offers SOME systems with XP as an optional OS. Mostly it seems that their business systems are the ones that can come with XP. Since you already own a copy of XP that isn't a great improvement, but.. also Gateway seems to have it as an option, although you can't do it from their website, they say you have to call them to order XP systems.
If you did purchase a Vista system and wiped the drive clean (accepting the loss of Vista), you would at least end up with a much faster, cleaner running system since it wouldn't be loaded down with all the trialware that manufacturers load systems down with. You'd have to find any drivers that might be needed, like for the sound card or the video card, and I'm always uncertain about how easy it would be to find them. In the case of my Dell laptop it's easy, their website makes them all available after I tell them what kind of laptop I have.
Personally.. my plan is to resist Vista as long as possible. I'd say I'll NEVER touch it, not even with a twenty foot pole.. but with the way MS operates, and the way the justice department has totally fallen asleep at the wheel of the whole issue of protecting the public from anti-competitive behavior, I may have no choice at some point. Or rather my only choice may end up being Mac or Windows, I suspect MS is working to lock the PC architecture down so that other OSes like Linux (or even XP) can't be used on it.
It may come down to grabbing the best of the last of the open architecture hardware and building myself the best last generation system I can, and seeing how long it lasts me.. hoping, in the meanwhile, that if nothing else the international community, like the EU, might be able to force MS to change their ways.
So.. it would seem that if you wiped your hard drive clean to install XP on it you wouldn't have any way to reinstall Vista at a later date. This is only a guess based on some preliminary checking at Dell's site. Gateway's site seems to mirror this.. and actually, I do seem to remember reading that MS wasn't going to be allowing manufacturers to include restore discs with Vista systems. I do not approve of that in the slightest.. a hallmark is Windows systems is that they run best if you wipe them clean and install them fresh every so often (I don't actually do that though, I do an insane amount of customization to my systems, it would take me days if not weeks to restore everything I had done before). What MS is doing is trying to force people to purchase computers with OEM installed Vista on them, and then at a later date if they want to reinstall a fresh copy of Vista make them purchase a retail boxed version as well...
A similar trick seems to have been used on the upgrade versions of Vista. From the fine print it would seem that you can only install that once as well, unlike all their previous upgrade versions.
Microsoft don't want people to be able to put Vista away for a while, they want to force it on the world NOW. And they want to prevent people from going back to XP. Another aspect of the Vista upgrade is that the moment you install it, it invalidates your XP license so you can't go back to it (which is also why I suspect you can't reinstall it, you have to have XP already installed to use the upgrade, but you shouldn't be able to reinstall XP because it kills the license).
As a side note, Dell offers SOME systems with XP as an optional OS. Mostly it seems that their business systems are the ones that can come with XP. Since you already own a copy of XP that isn't a great improvement, but.. also Gateway seems to have it as an option, although you can't do it from their website, they say you have to call them to order XP systems.
If you did purchase a Vista system and wiped the drive clean (accepting the loss of Vista), you would at least end up with a much faster, cleaner running system since it wouldn't be loaded down with all the trialware that manufacturers load systems down with. You'd have to find any drivers that might be needed, like for the sound card or the video card, and I'm always uncertain about how easy it would be to find them. In the case of my Dell laptop it's easy, their website makes them all available after I tell them what kind of laptop I have.
Personally.. my plan is to resist Vista as long as possible. I'd say I'll NEVER touch it, not even with a twenty foot pole.. but with the way MS operates, and the way the justice department has totally fallen asleep at the wheel of the whole issue of protecting the public from anti-competitive behavior, I may have no choice at some point. Or rather my only choice may end up being Mac or Windows, I suspect MS is working to lock the PC architecture down so that other OSes like Linux (or even XP) can't be used on it.
It may come down to grabbing the best of the last of the open architecture hardware and building myself the best last generation system I can, and seeing how long it lasts me.. hoping, in the meanwhile, that if nothing else the international community, like the EU, might be able to force MS to change their ways.
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